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Hooray for our Building Permit*

June 12, 2018 by clove 4 Comments

I was joking with a friend that every milestone we reach on our project comes with an asterisk. Like when we finally got our financing approval, which was an incredible relief, right? Except…the financing isn’t actually enough, and we’ve immediately had to get to work on other ideas to cut cost and access more capital.

So here’s today’s version.

We finally got our Building Permit- hooray! Bring out the confetti and chocolate cake!

But*

First of all, it took a really long time and, second, I’m still getting over the sticker shock of what it cost us. Confetti doesn’t quite capture the mood, and we probably can’t afford that chocolate cake anymore.

how long it took

The City strives for a 20-day turnaround on permit reviews, although I was warned when I submitted that City staff are slammed.

The day I actually submitted in early March was already my second attempt. I had been turned away by an initial scan in mid-February that revealed a few obvious inconsistencies with how the City wants things presented. So the permit process actually began for us nearly 4 months ago.

After officially submitting, City staff took 30 business days to review. So 6 weeks in real life. Every application wends its way from pile to pile and desk to desk. Engineering looks at it, parks looks at it, plumbing looks at it, and so on; each person adding their comments. Reviewers in two departments- Building Inspection and Plumbing Inspection- asked for a few changes, which took us 6 business days to turn around. The City then took another 24 business days to review those changes, our application once again passing across every desk. All told, it took 54 days of City review time to get our Building Permit, and 3 1/2 months in total time, including revisions on our end, since our first attempt to submit.

We do have to appreciate that the current level of construction activity in our fair city is unprecedented. Those who have worked in the industry here for decades say they’ve never seen it this busy. All you have to do is look around at all the cranes and holes in the ground to sympathize. City staff are working really hard with a daunting workload.

Still, it’s hard to not get frustrated by all the little details that have slowed things down and ultimately cost us money (our first construction loan advance is charging interest as I type!).

Here is one of the main details leading to the request to resubmit:

Our new neighbourhood plan specifically calls out ‘duplexes with suites’ as a desirable building form, meaning that the two main halves of the duplex can be titled separately, but the suite will always be a rental within one half. However, this building form does not exist in a code official’s mind because the building code does not specifically address it. As a result, while we intentionally designed it as a duplex + suite, the permit folks felt compelled to reclassify it as a “triplex”. This then required us to remove reference to certain parts of the building code, add extra fire separations, and change a few other details on our drawings. It is also likely to mean all manner of headache around shared ventilation and hot water systems further down the road – i.e. more cost to us.

Which leads us to…

how much it cost

The real asterisk dampening our ‘hooray’ moment is how much it cost to get our permit. We’re now pretty used to everything taking longer than hoped or expected. I suppose we’ve now also reached a point where we might as well get used to everything costing more than hoped or expected.

I had anticipated $10k for the permit itself (1.4% of construction cost, less plumbing and electrical, which are separate permits), plus ~$7,500 for a landscape deposit. This deposit is to ensure we actually do the landscaping work we promised as part of our Development Permit application. I’m not thrilled about this deposit, but it is described on the City’s website, so I’ve had a couple of months to get over it.

So how the heck did I end up writing a check for $50,784?!

There were two surprises that cha-chinged us up to this unpleasant total:

  1. We pay for new city services up front in order to get in the queue for the City to do the installation (three to four months behind, by the way). So, $24,600 for new storm, sanitary and domestic water connections for each half of the duplex. We had expected to pay for this, but hadn’t realized it would be up front.
  2. They took an $8,000 deposit for ‘new engineering works’. I had to call someone to learn what this was, because the staffer who initially helped me didn’t know, and neither did the staffer she called over who knew more than she did. This one is to make sure we build the new driveway and sidewalk to City specs. OK…but isn’t that the whole point of the Building Permit itself – granting permission to build something with the expectation and promise that we build it as shown in the drawings?

I’m frankly a little enraged about that one. Are we getting paid back with interest? Don’t know. And because there is no paperwork beyond a line item on my receipt, I fear we will have to fight to get our deposit back.

So there you have it:

  • $16,184 for ‘refundable’ deposits;
  • $10,000 for our Permit proper, and
  • $24,600 for new City services.

I can see why some developers raise the white flag and go to Langford where you can get a building permit in 48 hours for a fraction the cost!

Hey, I have an idea! How about permit rebates or waived deposits for people building ultra low energy projects? We are helping the City meet its climate goals after all, and leapfrogging all the way to the 2030 end of our new BC Energy Step Code. And so far, we’re just another folder on a pile of endless, helpless applications.

Alright, enough complaining.

I’ll close out today’s post with a puzzle. Spot what’s different about our house in these two photos. Winner gets a pile of early 20th century bricks!

Filed Under: Construction, Featured Tagged With: building permit, construction, duplex + suite, ultra low energy

We’re Moving!

January 19, 2018 by clove 2 Comments

We have neither our Building Permit nor secured financing, but we are moving February 1!

Because we are raising our existing house and renovating most of the interior, we have to vacate during construction. Plan A was to move to the end of our block and rent our neighbours’ newly created garden suite for a 10-12 month experiment in tiny house living. We were actually very excited about this idea, as well as the fact that we would be a short walk away from our house during construction. But given that our neighbours are also rebuilding their entire house, they’ve encountered enough of their own roadblocks and schedule extensions that our timing no longer aligns.

Plan B, which is really a bit of a miracle given the 0.7% rental vacancy rate in Victoria right now, is to move back into the house we rented when we first returned to Victoria almost 4 years ago. It’s currently empty because it’s part of a whole-block redevelopment proposal inching its way through the public process. It’s a great little house that will fit all our things and it’s literally around the corner from my mom. We also got a discounted rate on rent in exchange for the risk inherent in only being guaranteed tenancy through May 31. I am pretty certain we’ll be able to stay beyond May, but it is possible that we’ll have to move again before moving back into our completed home. Better to not think too much about the prospect of moving 3 times in one year, though. Willful denial can be a very useful strategy to keep us progressing from one step to the next!

Our Building Permit application is ready to be submitted, save for structural drawings that are now being drafted (our structural engineer was sadly delayed due to a personal emergency). I’ve been down to the city a couple of times to check that we’ve included what they want to see, with the intent that once the application is submitted, it will quickly pass through the various departmental reviews. And since we’ve already been through rezoning, I am confident that the Building Permit is a formality. It will happen, it’s the when that could throw things off. The city aims to respond within 4 weeks to a building permit application, but if there is any back and forth over the details, this could stretch out. There is some prep work we can do on the existing house and site in the meantime, though, so I remain optimistic on that front.

The financing is the last big piece of the puzzle that still has me nervous, as it’s really the last point at which someone outside the project can say No and delay it until we find someone else who says Yes. It’s only coming together now because, in order to get financing, the credit union needed an appraisal of the existing house and proposed project. To do the appraisal, they needed a construction budget. For Russ to give us a reasonably accurate construction budget, we needed close to complete drawings. We have all of those things now, and the appraiser has what she needs. All we can do for the moment is pack up our house and have faith that the stars will align!

Filed Under: Financing, Uncategorized Tagged With: building permit, construction, financing, passive house

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Stretch Developer is written by Christy Love. In partnership with my husband Matt, we are challenging ourselves to create the kind of homes we want to live in and see more of in our community. Home is the incredible Victoria, BC, Canada.

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